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  • Name William WARREN 
    Gender Male 
    AFN 1R48-FR4 
    Died Bef 12 Oct 1550  Bures St. Mary, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried 12 Oct 1550  Bures St. Mary, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
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    • (1) Threlfall, John B., "Thomas French of Assington, Suffolk, England, and Ipswich, Massachusetts," New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol. 142 (1988), p. 251-252:

      William Warren died intestate and administration was granted to his widow Katherine on 26 September 1554 (Essex Record Office at Bury St. Edmunds, R2/35/20). A William Warren had been buried at Bures Saint Mary 12 October 1550, and either Katherine delayed almost four years to settle his estate, or else this is a burial record of a still earlier generation or perhaps of a grandchild. . . .

      Children, surname Warren:

      i. WILLIAM, probably the eldest son. He had the following children (surname Warren): 1. William "son of William," bp. 23 Nov. 1561 at Bures St. Mary. 2. Katherine, "dau. of William," bp. 25 May 1565 at Earl's Colne (five miles south). Possibly father and children d. before 1567, as they are not mentioned in Katherine Warren's will.

      ii. THOMAS, probably the second son. He had sons, named in the will of his mother, both living in 1567 (surname Warren): 1. William. 2. John.

      iii. KATHERINE, b. probably ca. 1530-34; d. probably before 1567 when her mother made her will; on 1 Feb. 1553/4 "John Ansell & his wife Katherine were married" at Bures St. Mary. He was probably the John Ansell who m. at Bures St. Mary, 17 Jan. 1573/4, Ellen Hinn.

      Children, bp. at Bures Si. Mary, (surname Ansell): 1. John, b. ca. 1558; buried 8 Sept. 1588 intestate, called "John jr." 2. Alice, bp. 17 Nov. 1560; buried 4 Dec. 1560, 3. Alice. "dau. of John," bp. 22 Nov. 1562; living 1567.

      iv. JOHN, b. perhaps ca. 1536; m. at Bures St. Mary, 10 Nov. 1562, JOAN H[lllegible].

      v. ROBERT, b. perhaps ca. 1538-1540; evidently an adult in 1567.

      vi. JULYAN, bp. 13 Oct. 1542 at Bures St. Mary; living, unmarried, in 1567.

      vii. Child, b. probably ca. 1545.

      viii. Child, b. probably ca. 1548.

      ix. ELIZABETH, b. probably ca. 1551; m. at Bures St. Mary, 10 May 1574, WILLIAM SIDAY. She d. early and he m. (2) Alice Warren, perhaps a niece of Elizabeth, for Alice was his wife in 1592/3, when she was granted administration of the estate of her sister Katherine Warren.

      x. Child, b. probably ca. 1554.

      (2) "Additions and Corrections," New England Genealogical and Historical Register, Vol. 143 (1989), pp. 361, 363-364:

      "Thomas French of Assington, Suffolk, England, and Ipswich, Massachusetts" (142:250-252) by John B. Threlfall. The following comments are contributed by Dr. David L. Greene, F.A.S.G., of Demorest, Georgia:

      In his article on the English ancestry of Thomas French of Ipswich, Massachusetts, John B. Threlfall states that Elizabeth Warren, apparently a daughter of William and Katherine Warren, was born probably about 1551 and married at Bures St. Mary, Essex, 10 May 1574, William Siday; he adds that "She d. early and he m. (2) Alice Warren, perhaps a niece of Elizabeth, for Alice was his wife in 1592/3, when she was granted administration of the estate of her sister Katherine Warren."

      At this time, marriage of a widower to his deceased wife's niece was within the "forbidden degrees;" that is, it was incestuous because marriage to a deceased wife's niece was considered tantamount to marriage with one's own niece.

      I suggest that the answer to this problem is that Elizabeth Warren and Alice Warren were the same woman. The distinguished genealogist, Walter Goodwin Davis, commented that "the late Mr. Bower Marsh, a highly experienced English genealogist, has said that he has found Alice and Elizabeth used interchangeably more than once" (The Ancestry of Dudley Wildes [Portland, Me., 1959], 111). One more knowledgeable of onomastics than I might provide a better explanation of this confusion; similarity in sound, however, may well be the culprit, especially since "Alice" was sometimes pronounced "Ellis."

      If this solution is correct, it seems that William and Katherine Warren had two daughters named Katherine: one who may have been the eldest child since she married John Ansell in 1553/4, earlier than the probable or certain marriage dates of any of her siblings, and the other who was apparently one of the "four young children" unnamed in their mother's will and who died unmarried, since she was called "Katherine Warren" when her sister Alice Siday was granted administration of her estate. Giving two living children the same name occurred occasionally at this period and earlier; it is not uncommon to read 16th century wills in which the testator speaks of (say) his or her sons "John th'elder" and "John the yonger."

      [Editor's note: See the article, "English Origins of Stephen Paine of Rehoboth, Massachusetts," in this issue, pages 291-303, where Alice and Elizabeth definitely refer to the same woman in at least one case and possibly in a second.]
    Person ID I15803  Frost, Gilchrist and Related Families
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    Family Katherine (WARREN),   d. Abt Jan 1571, Bures St. Mary, Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
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     1. --- WARREN  [natural]
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